Hermes Workshop Log File

Session Start: Tue Nov 28 16:32:43 2000
*** Now talking in #energyworks
<Hermes`> hello there people of great lineage!
<fookbar> hi
<fookbar> Hermes`, you know, that energy stretch thing isn't so easy to do (physically) =)
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<Hermes`> no its not
<DreadSpir> hi all
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<Hermes`> however, it does get easier in time. It is like yoga
* xor-- is idle, automatically dead [bX(l/on p/on)]
<fookbar> yea
* Hermes` shoots xor with a blast of reincarnation energy
<MagicMan`> welcome soren, wb hermes, dreadspir
<xor--> hi hermes
<xor--> hi magic
<MagicMan`> whops soren's dead
<DreadSpir> came a bit closer to OBE just now..
<MagicMan`> nah :)
<Hermes`> great deadspirit
<DreadSpir> I heard all this blood rushing in my head, my heart was beating very fast and I felt my body go really weird
<DreadSpir> then all that stopped and I felt vibrations like I was very cold, but nothing happened after that
<Hermes`> ah well now you have to learn to make those vibrations stronger
<xor--> hi dread:)
<DreadSpir> I was shaking like I was very cold, is that what you get Hermes?
<DreadSpir> Hi Xor, how are you?
<Hermes`> it sounds like it
<Hermes`> it sounds like it dread
<Hermes`> well
<Hermes`> it is a numbing feeling
<Hermes`> so if you take that as cold then yea
<Hermes`> yea^
<fookbar> I'll be leaving..
<fookbar> so, have nice workshop all
<DreadSpir> its like numbing and trebling I guess
<Hermes`> take care fook
<DreadSpir> see ya fookbar
<MagicMan`> see you fook
<fookbar> ookok. bya
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<DreadSpir> I see you mention that moving your physical body feels similar to moving your astral body.. How can you tell the difference?
<xor--> gotta exit,see u later
<xor--> DreadSpir:great,a bit busy:>
<DreadSpir> I thought I had it until I heard the chair moving as I got up and I thought this cant be my astral, its my physical!
<MagicMan`> bye soren
<DreadSpir> Bye soren
<Hermes`> well it is hard to tell the difference. The nonphysical body feels more free and light, but otherwise it feels the same
<DreadSpir> .. and I wouldn't be able to hear the chair moving as I got up if it was my astral body?
<Hermes`> sure you may
<Hermes`> the chair has its own counterpart in the nonphysical
<Hermes`> just like you do
<Hermes`> you can move that nonphysical chair around the room just like a real physical one
<Hermes`> think of it as when you leave your body, you are in a duplicate place
<Hermes`> all the stuff there you can interact with just like you were physical
<DreadSpir> he he, so how do I know I've even left my body! ;o)
<Hermes`> well there are differences
<Hermes`> like you can float
<Hermes`> you can pass through objects
<DreadSpir> so, next time I could imagine myself floating up from the chair?
<Hermes`> your sight and hearing is much more sensitive
<Hermes`> no, you have to push yourself from the chair
<Hermes`> imagining won't do anything for you in the etheric plane, where you will be when you leave the body
<Hermes`> you have to use your nonphysical limbs to push off
<DreadSpir> you actually have to astrally move your body
<Hermes`> yep
<Hermes`> if the vibrations are strong enough and you gently push out of your body or chair, you will separate from the body
<DreadSpir> so, you tell the transition between physical and astral plane by the vibrations or how?
<DreadSpir> ahh I see..
<Hermes`> if the vibrations are not strong enough you will snap back and the vibrations will stop
<DreadSpir> I managed to start them back up again pretty easily. To get to that state, I concentrated on relaxing each part of my body, then I counted from 100 down several times
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<DreadSpir> that technique seemed to work for me
<Hermes`> you will find that once you do hit the vibration stage it gets easier to reach it
<Pure`> hey again (changed my mind *g*)
<Hermes`> changed it to what?
<Pure`> who me? I was supposed to get some proper sleep tonight heh
<MagicMan`> hi pure..you just can't stay away can you
<Pure`> NO! I can't
<Pure`> I'm trapped
<DreadSpir> hey pure
<Hermes`> ah but it is a good being trapped thing here
<Pure`> oh that's true for sure :)
<MagicMan`> took you 1h 05min :)
<DreadSpir> Hey, would it be possible to project and come on to this chat room? I suppose not?
<Hermes`> you could try it
<Hermes`> I'm sure you would see something
<Hermes`> but of course we would not be able to interact with you
<Hermes`> but you may be able to interact with our nonphysical selves
<Hermes`> which of course are always there
<Hermes`> I suppose that does not make much sense
<DreadSpir> yes.. so if we could all project, we could all come on here and see how the net would look!
<MagicMan`> try tomorrow night
<Hermes`> let me clarify, we always when we are physical have our nonphysical counterparts on each of the nonphysical plane...
<Hermes`> we are not focused on those counterparts while we are physical, but they are there...
<Hermes`> so if you were to project into the IRC chat, you would be able to interact with our nonphysical counterparts...
<Hermes`> we would not be aware of this interaction because we are not focused on our nonphysical counterparts
<Pure`> who knows what they talk about heh
<Hermes`> yea it could be real juicy
<Hermes`> :)
<DreadSpir> he he
<DreadSpir> hey, can you eat things when your nonphysical?
<Hermes`> sure
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<Hermes`> there is plenty of nonphysical food too eat
<MagicMan`> hi iwonder
<iWonder> gud evening
<DreadSpir> like a nonphysical apple or nonphysical four course roast
<Hermes`> what happens is you either create it in your imagination or you absorb some kind of nonphysical energy and perceive it as eating
<DreadSpir> hi I wonder
<DreadSpir> that's rad
<MagicMan`> where's your house I can't see no 2 floors houses on the right side :)
<iWonder> hi all
<Hermes`> hi iwonder
<iWonder> hi Hermes
* iWonder pullin´ up a chair
<Hermes`> only thing with eating in the nonphysical, if you are hungry physically and you eat nonphysically, when you come back to the body you are still hungry physically.
<DreadSpir> I can imagine.. he he mmm...
<MagicMan`> sounds like you're hungry right now
<DreadSpir> So, why cant we exist more in the nonphysical.. Is it because the art of shifting is lost?
<Hermes`> we do exist in the nonphysical, but for now we are here to learn how to conquer the physical plane
<Hermes`> and in this process also learn how to be conscious on both places
<Hermes`> as you are all doing now, but learning how to OBE travel and travel in meditation
<DreadSpir> Anyway peeps, I really have to go. Thanks for the chat and the help
<DreadSpir> Speak to you all later
<Pure`> we're just happy to have you here! later
<iWonder> over and out
<DreadSpir> 73's iWonder!
<MagicMan`> see you dreadspir
<iWonder> going down 14 :)
<Hermes`> so how are things with you iwonder
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<iWonder> well,
<iWonder> fine :)
<iWonder> improvement is slow, but steady
<Pure`> are you doing that grounding thing?
<iWonder> what grounding thing, pure ?
<Pure`> oh never mind
<iWonder> sorry, I didn't´t meant
<Hermes`> any more trips to sphinx last night Pure?
<xor--> re
<Pure`> no I'm saving myself for tomorrow heh
<xor--> hermes..got a pair of question
<Hermes`> sure
<xor--> what's mean passing from knowledge to wisdom?
<xor--> (read it from the article on 8-12 chakras)
<Hermes`> well what you learn here is knowledge, then after you apply what you learn in the real world this knowledge becomes wisdom
<xor--> thought u mean 'wisdom' was a higher knowledge
<Hermes`> no wisdom is the correct and harmonious application of knowledge
<Hermes`> knowledge can be used for good or evil
<xor--> stupid quest,but there is an ascension toward evil?
<Hermes`> I suppose you could call that a decent from God back into increasing materialism
<xor--> yes..
<xor--> but guess the one that do it can get also some skills or power
<Hermes`> for the dark side this certainly is an ascension
<Hermes`> the problem with the dark side is that you are cutting yourself off from the energy source that supplies you...
<Hermes`> so what you have to do instead is steal your energy from other people and things to sustain yourself.
<Hermes`> of course these kinds of things really do in your karma real fast
<xor--> yeah I guess so
<Hermes`> the main reason we as a culture look at evil as powerful is that we have been taught to look at it that way
<Hermes`> the light or the angel is always portrayed as mild mannered and weak
<Hermes`> and the devil is the powerful evil doer with all these abilities
<Hermes`> well of course this is not true
<Hermes`> it is an illusion of sorts.
<xor--> yes..
<Pure`> but there is no way light wouldn't win over evil, right? and angels are really more powerful than the dark beings?
<Hermes`> well there is no easy answer for this
<MagicMan`> they are equally strong I'd say
<Hermes`> angels of course have their source firmly rooted into God and this energy in inexhaustible
<Hermes`> evil gets its energy from what they can steal if from.
<MagicMan`> you forget both are angels?
<Hermes`> okay let's clarify
<Hermes`> when we are speaking of evil here in this workshop we are talking about beings that look to destroy and gain power at any cost
<Hermes`> dark angels are a different matter
<Hermes`> these beings still serve God in specific ways
<MagicMan`> I am sorry If I intruded I was not paying attention to the conversation
<Hermes`> no good point to clarify here
<Hermes`> evil seeks power for itself
<Hermes`> it is selfish and untrustworthy
<Hermes`> it runs from the light of God
<Hermes`> dark angles on the other hand seek to temper humanity and expose the flaws within humans...
<Hermes`> they do this in very not so pleasant ways...
<Hermes`> but their purpose is to expose within you what you need to work on.
<Hermes`> so that you can ascend...
<MagicMan`> off note, what is the source?
<Hermes`> these dark angels in a way still do God purpose.
<Hermes`> Well source is another word that can mean many things
<Hermes`> I used it here to refer to the energy of God,
<Hermes`> but the source could also be the energy of evil, that it has collected and stolen over the years
<MagicMan`> source, beginning, start...
<MagicMan`> well that is not true you're in a loop there
<MagicMan`> I could ask the same question about that
<Hermes`> tell you what
<Hermes`> let's not get into circular arguments here,
<Hermes`> I think you know what I am talking about
<MagicMan`> no I do not
<iWonder> yes you do
<Hermes`> okay what do you need further explained.
<iWonder> the old symbol, the serpent biting it's own tail
<MagicMan`> you say energy of evil...how am I suppose to interpret that? It the same as saying: "Where do ideas come from? and you say they come from the energy of ideas" or something like that
<Hermes`> you did read the whole thing on how evil steals its energy from other people
<MagicMan`> how can evil steal energy If it does not exist. If it does not have a source of existence
<Hermes`> it steals it from you, me, and anyone that will give into it
<Hermes`> evil will seduce you, use you, take your power, and self esteem away
<MagicMan`> come on...you're going the opposite way of what I am asking
<Hermes`> it gets its power from individuals
<MagicMan`> go back a wee to when there was no evil and start from there
<Hermes`> that is why it has to use you and break you
<Hermes`> wait
<Hermes`> I already said this does not include dark angels
<Hermes`> dark angels are still connected to God
<Hermes`> they serve a different purpose to God.
<MagicMan`> I'm talking generally here as a single entity
<Hermes`> there is no generally here, evil and dark angels are two different things
<Hermes`> Khronozon is a dark angel
<Pure`> evil is all cause of humans?
<Hermes`> the mobster up the block is evil
<MagicMan`> then move them out of that group...whatever it takes to isolate what I am talking about
<MagicMan`> think evil in general (no dark angels) just evil
<Hermes`> evil takes its energy from others
<Hermes`> why do you think they prey on the weak.
<MagicMan`> not again
<MagicMan`> not again
<MagicMan`> no matter how I try to make you see what I want you to answer you go the other way
<Hermes`> what is it you want
<MagicMan`> last try...Think evil does not exist yet. To exist it had to have some cause, some chain reaction, something (cause and effect). It could gather energy from others if it did not exist, now try again
<Hermes`> evil began we mankind fell from grace and descended away from God
<Hermes`> humanity created evil
<MagicMan`> finally you're going the right way about this
<Hermes`> it is the collective negative energy from all humans
<Hermes`> it is hatred
<Hermes`> lust
<Hermes`> selfishness
<iWonder> greed
<Hermes`> good one yea
<MagicMan`> now there was a more particular act involved in this or it was one of the rules set forth for the physical and the whole learning system?
<Hermes`> man one day decided he wanted to forget God, when he did that, he forgot how to be harmony with each other...
<Hermes`> and then he started to hurt one another
<Hermes`> and of course, I hurt you so you hurt me
<Hermes`> and then the spiral downward began
<MagicMan`> ok *uff* this took a while
<MagicMan`> it was a simple question to answer right? You could have gotten at first try
<Hermes`> I suppose,
<iWonder> sorry to disagree, simple question ?
<MagicMan`> you are too used to being just a tape recorder and playing back the whole thing and not thinking about the question :)
<Hermes`> okay so now you understand why evil has to take energy from others to sustain itself. To do evil you have to disconnect yourself from God. Then your energy is limited and will eventually run out.
<MagicMan`> yes it would have been much simpler if he did not go the other way the whole time I was asking
<Hermes`> The only alternative to continue to do evil is to steal that energy from others and this further puts you down
<iWonder> what other way ?
<iWonder> now I'm curious
<MagicMan`> he was explaining how it worked ...how it gathered energy and all
<MagicMan`> I was asking how it was created
<MagicMan`> what was the source
<iWonder> the principle seems pretty obvious to me
* Pure` is thinking: ahh this would all be so clear if the chat was happening on the nonphysical, by telepathy
<MagicMan`> yes actually it was a reality check question in its essence but it got more complicated
<iWonder> ok, let me put my 2 cents in
<iWonder> sounds like my car battery
<MagicMan`> well leaving
<iWonder> don't pls, the battery is dead
<MagicMan`> what are you talking about?
<iWonder> now that was about to ask for a collect :(
<MagicMan`> OK bye
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<Hermes`> yes it is much like a car battery
<Hermes`> if you disconnect the battery from the alternator/charger then the battery will eventually run down.
<iWonder> he asked for the start
<Hermes`> yea it started with all of us using our fully charged batteries to do not so good things
<iWonder> I was talking about the electron moving from positive to negative poles
<iWonder> and forth, the snake biting it's tail
<Hermes`> right, yes
<iWonder> ahh well who cares
<Hermes`> good analogy
<Hermes`> we care
<Hermes`> and so do the people reading the log file
<Hermes`> we have many silent workshop partners that visit just to read the log files
<Hermes`> so this interaction here not only helps ourselves but all of those people as well.
<Pure`> how close do you think humanity is to communicating telepathically? this putting ideas into words..
<iWonder> the analogy of the alternator was good, I forgot that one
<Hermes`> well some people use telepathy all the time without realizing it
<Hermes`> many couples do this often
<Hermes`> I think the problem is that we are unaware that we use it
<Hermes`> so we think we do not have it
<Pure`> yes but I meant completely stop using words..
<Hermes`> oh that may take time
<Hermes`> Remember the story of the tower of Babel
<Pure`> ?
<xor--> they spoke telepathic
<xor--> or well,they had
<iWonder> so, that is the meaning ?
<Hermes`> yes before the fall of the tower of Babel there was one language
<xor--> the same language
<Hermes`> exactly soren
<Hermes`> the bible calls it a language but it really was telepathy
<xor--> wonder why god disliked their needs to be perfect
<xor--> and then go near god
<iWonder> now it makes sense
<xor--> but the ancient testament god was a bit too evil:)
<Hermes`> yea because in that time often they could not tell the difference between dark angles and light angels
<Hermes`> each one worked for God but did it in a different way
<xor--> well it sound difficult also for me
<iWonder> pls explain Hermes
<xor--> how I know is a dark angel or evil
<Hermes`> well in a way man lost his telepathic communication so that he could fall further from grace...
<Hermes`> and so he could do more evil...
<Hermes`> he could not do this if he was in telephonic communication with his victim..
<Hermes`> otherwise he would feel his victims pain...
<Hermes`> so at some point a dark angel taught him how to lose his power of telepathy
<Hermes`> so that he could continue to do evil and continue to show him where he needed to perfect himself
<iWonder> division
<xor--> but dark angels serve the purpose of god
<Hermes`> a dark angel knows that if a person swings far enough from God, he will have to come back to the light...
<iWonder> like a pendulum ?
<Hermes`> and because man was already started on that decent, to the dark angles it was the fastest way to get them back to god
<iWonder> (spelling)
<Hermes`> yes like a pendular
<Hermes`> pendulum^
<xor--> so the evil is medium to restore fastly back to God?
<xor--> restore the path
<Hermes`> yes in a way, evil is a way to restore a person back to God.
<Hermes`> it is not a pleasant way, but it is a way
<iWonder> in this case both are
<Hermes`> the theory was that the faster man would fall the faster he would come back up.
<xor--> but why man choose evil?if they always lived in perfect condition how could they 'desire'?
<iWonder> if u swing a pendulum to right or the the left, they will no doubt stop in the middle
<Hermes`> that is the million dollar question soren. And I ask myself all the time. How could we be so stupid?
<xor--> just because he wanted to explore material?
<xor--> for that sort of happiness we take when we grow up a bit:)
<Hermes`> physical reality was/is a very strong reality as far as sensation goes
<Hermes`> it is easy to be here and forget that you are connected to God
<Hermes`> because your senses are so magnified here in ways that are not possible in nonphysical environment
<iWonder> H.P. Blavatsky said in her secret doctrine said, there's a BIG treasure awaiting
<xor--> eh they didn't calculate the evil in the DNA
<iWonder> ahh well, anything for happiness (keep the treasure)
<Hermes`> well, when you lose your connection to God you don't realize what you are creating is harmful to others.
<Hermes`> hehe good one iwonder
<Hermes`> the big lesson here is not to lose that connection to God
<Hermes`> as we did when we manifested here on the physical plane.
<Hermes`> so now we are trying to reconnect ourselves to God.
<Hermes`> and if we don't want to care about this, then the dark angels will helps us along, in their own ways.
<xor--> H,how is time in etheric plane?
<xor--> if it exist
<Hermes`> there is a strong element of time on the Etheric plane because of its closeness to the physical plane
<Hermes`> it is much more pliable there than here
<Hermes`> roughly you can travel several hours past or future on the etheric plane
<Hermes`> on the astral plane it opens up even more, years
<xor--> yes,but I mean ..in astral time doesn't exist
<xor--> the concept of time is applicable in etheric?
<Hermes`> on the astral plane it is virtually nonexistent but if you wanted to go back to a previous life, you would have to be on the mental plane
<Hermes`> of course keep in mind that as you go further from the physical plane time and space open up...
<Hermes`> it is a gradual process, not an immediate one
<Hermes`> the lower astral plane has more time elements than the upper astral plane
<Hermes`> so here I am just speaking of generally
<xor--> aha
<xor--> nice workshop:)
<xor--> going guys,see u
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<iWonder> nite xor
<Hermes`> another one gone
<Hermes`> of course let say this here too
<Hermes`> not everyone disconcerted from God in the fall
<Hermes`> there were many people that held on and stayed in the physical system to help those that did fall, get back to the light
<iWonder> anything to do with the anthakarama (spelling ?)
<Hermes`> these souls took on a great task, and because of them, humanity's fall was not as bad as it could have been
<Hermes`> is that an Egyptian god?
<Hermes`> or am I reading that name wrong?
<iWonder> no, I think is a Sanskrit word meaning a "golden cord"
<iWonder> I may have misspelled it
<iWonder> a golden cord connecting the monada to Brahma
<Hermes`> I do remember something about it being explained like that. Some people held on to the golden cord of God and used it as a rope to help others up.
<iWonder> I recall this, can´t remember exactly where from,probably from blavatsky's secret doctrine
<Pure`> who is this Blavatsky?
<iWonder> it was most definitely eastern
<FORTYoz> ack
<FORTYoz> I got busy working and forgot to check back :(
<iWonder> helena petrovska blavatsky, the so called founder of the theosophical society back in 19xx
<iWonder> correction 189x, I believe
<iWonder> hi forty
<FORTYoz> hello
<Pure`> been feeding birds on your window Forty? :)
<Hermes`> now he has lots of reading to do
<Hermes`> I'm not very familiar with Blavatsky's work, though I have heard it quoted from time to time
<Pure`> why would you say the world so changed in the last 100 years and so speeded up?
<iWonder> those were books written back in late 189x early 19xx
<Hermes`> I would say this?
<iWonder> everything was so "encrypted"
<Hermes`> or do you want me to speculate on this saying
<Hermes`> knowledge is much more accessible in the last 100 years
<Hermes`> and knowledge is a key to unlock movement
<Pure`> why is it more accessible?
<Hermes`> we stopped guarding our secrets and began sharing them...
<Hermes`> in the industrial age it became very apparent that sharing knowledge benefited everyone
<Pure`> do you think there is any special reason why it happened now?
<Hermes`> I suppose we as humans go tired of keeping secrets
<Hermes`> and we found that these secrets were not helping us to grow
<Pure`> well you're just about to lose another one here. Later all.. (some workshop this was)
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<FORTYoz> :)
<Hermes`> still reading back forthyoz, you missed a good workshop here
<FORTYoz> do you have a log?
<Hermes`> not yet but I will post it
<FORTYoz> okay great
<Hermes`> well time to go everyone
<Hermes`> have to spell check the log and post it
<iWonder> nite everyone
<Hermes`> bye
<Hermes`> okay got to go
<Hermes`> night all
Session Close: Tue Nov 28 20:01:41 2000